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    Writing DC Discussion Thread

    Since the Canon Characters thread is long, and has a slightly inappropriate thread icon (), I figured I would start another! Also, I wanted to toss out a couple of thoughts / topics for us to chew over.

    As and when we finalise stuff and raise new talking points and issues, I'll edit them into this first post so we can keep track of what we're doing and what we've decided.

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    Timeline

    We often seem to trip over timelines in our roleplaying. In Star Wars we aren't always sure what year it is; in X-Men it's still three or four years ago; and when we initially discussed DC, we had a lot of trouble working out how old Batman was, how long certain vigilante's had been active, and things like that. However, for the most part comics don't worry about that sort of thing: if they did, Bruce Wayne wouldn't be chasing criminals, he'd be chasing kids off his lawn with a walking stick.

    Maybe we could take our cue from that, and try to avoid getting too specific about numbers? Batman has been Batman for "a few years"; Bruce Wayne is "in his thirties"; Carter Hall was a superhero "a few decades ago"; that sort of thing. The more vague and fluid we keep things, the easier it will be to squidge things into people's backstories.

    Also, both Batman and Green Arrow have critically acclaimed graphic novels called Year One. Perhaps we could have all of our current threads in the spring of "Year One", and just ease our way through the seasons and years as and when the story demands that we do, rather than trying to keep pace with the real world or anything like that.

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    Non Player Characters

    When we initially discussed this setting, we talked about how we wanted characters who interact with lots of people - Commissioner Gordon, Alfred, and so on - to be NPCs, so that anyone can write them.

    Are there any other characters we want to reserve in this sort of way: perhaps an NPC reporter (Vicki Vale?), police detective (Harvey Bullock?), etc? It would probably be useful to agree upon some basic details for all of these NPCs, to make sure we are all portraying them consistently and so on.

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    The Rest of the World/Universe

    At the moment, our focus is squarely on Gotham. Keeping things confined to one city is a great idea, and the majority of characters can be ported across to Gotham without too much difficulty: it's no different than the approach taken by TV shows like Arrow and Smallville.

    However, there are a few bits and pieces from the rest of the world that we might want to think about, talk about, establish, etc. For example, if we want to separate ourselves from the real world, do we want to agree upon an (NPC?) character to be the President of the United States? Perhaps Lex Luthor would be a good choice, particularly since there is no Superman to get in his way?

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    The Golden Age

    In the backstories for some characters, it's established that there has been a previous generation of superheroes. Dinah Hall (Black Canary) is the daughter of the golden age Black Canary and Green Arrow, and she was adopted and raised by Carter Hall, the golden age Hawkman. Kendra Saunders is a police detective, who is the reincarnation of the golden age Hawkwoman.

    In order to explain why there aren't more costumed superheroes running about the place, we could borrow some ideas from Watchmen and The Incredibles. Perhaps there was a Justice Society of superheroes a few decades ago, and perhaps there was some sort of incident / accident that caused the government to outlaw superheroes. The Department of Extranormal Operations (DEO) might have been created to enforce that ban, which is why they're so focused on unmasking vigilantes. They might also be a little bit like the superhero relocation program from The Incredibles: keeping tabs on those with superpowers, and covering up any power-related accidents.

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    Two Girls, One Cup

    Or rather: two heroes, one superhero name. Both Oliver Queen and Jason Todd have previously gone by "Robin". Oliver Queen and Larry Lance (Black Canary's father) have gone by "Green Arrow". The modern Flash and Blue Beetle have golden age characters as well as having successors; at least two people have gone by The Question; several people have been known as Clayface; and there are dozens of other characters that people could easily want to roleplay where their alias / code name is the same.

    That may not seem like a problem at first, but it could be if we start doing flashbacks to fill in periods of backstory. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to share an alias without sharing an account?

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    Well, I would say that if a person wants their person to be the first with that name then that's perfectly allowed. Just ignore that there were previous versions in the comics. This isn't the comics.

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    That isn't quite what I meant. I'm talking more about situations where perhaps I want to go back and do some flashback stuff that features the original Green Arrow. I can't do those posts using the "Green Arrow" account, because the avatar would be wrong.

    Similarly, I'm writing Barry Allen / The Flash, but he has both a golden age predecessor (Jay Garrick) and a successor (Wally West), who both use the name The Flash. The characters have all worked together, and have all been active concurrently using that name. If someone wants to play Jay Garrick for flashbacks, or wants to play a grown-up version of Wally West (ie. not "Kid Flash"), are there any ways they could share the name?

    Also, what happens if someone decides they want to play Renee Montoya: the second person to use the name The Question? Assuming I was cool with them taking over (which I would be), would I have to surrender the "The Question" account for them to use? If they change the avatar of that account to fit Renee Montoya (a woman), how do we stop that being confusing when people read earlier posts that were written by the male version of The Question?

    It's less a question of "how do we stop people stealing names?", and more a question of "how do we share names?".

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    Oh, well then register a Golden Age Green Arrow ...?

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    "Golden Age X" gets tricky because of length, unfortunately.

    I also considered "The X", and the name followed by some sort of Roman numeral thing, but none of those options are 100% foolproof: there are going to be hero names that don't work with "The" at the front, what happens if we've used numerals but then add someone in between (Flash II.5?)... etc.

    Figured I'd toss the topic in here for discussion, just in case anyone has a stroke of genius on the subject.

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    ...are you trying to say I am not a genius????

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    No, but I am saying you haven't stroked one.

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    Well, I never!

    Good day, sir! I say, good DAY!

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    I think it's safe to say that any passing of the torch between two RPers would have to be worked out by the two RPers, and it would be up to them to negotiate the particulars. If, for instance, someone were to replace Victor Sage as The Question, you'd probably work it into an in-universe storyline, and the actual passing of the name would be a major plot event. Each situation would be unique enough to merit its own solution.

    The other possibility, of course, is that someone gives up a character, and someone else is interested in playing their own version of the character (or a later iteration). That, too, would have to be negotiated; I'm not sure we can really create policy for that kind of situation in a vacuum beyond just mentioning the possibility.

    Personally, I think it would be ideal for the current incarnation to hold the name and for the old version to become "The Question I," or something like that. In other cases, there are successors who have distinct variations on the old name, like Red Robin.

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    Green Arrow, mk. 1

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    A couple of characters have worked their way into threads in a semi-NPC capacity.

    Captain Maggie Sawyer was written as the head of the Major Crimes Unit (MCU). Since we already have two detectives and a few DEO agents who are likely to need to use her for briefings / orders / etc, would anyone object to her being set aside as an NPC from henceforth?

    Vicki Vale is a reporter from the Gotham Gazette. Aside from being a well-known name, there's nothing particularly remarkable about her. Andrew has already made use of her to write articles, and I can see her being useful in that capacity moving forward. Any problems with making her an official NPC?


    Normally we don't do image claims when an account doesn't exist, but would it be worth making an exception in these cases? Knowing that our Commissioner Gordon looks like Gary Oldman makes it much easier to write descriptions of and interactions with him: without that, he could look like anything from this to this to this.

    If we find ourselves in the position where Gary Oldman (or whoever) is exactly the right choice for a particular character, we can certainly revisit things... but these aren't characters who don't have accounts because they aren't important enough: they're characters who are too important to be written by just one person. It might make life easier.

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    Regarding Muderball - it's open so pretty much anything goes. If you aren't part of the DEO perhaps jumping in now before he gets to work would be a good idea. Or whatever. Just wanting to stretch the legs (too soon?) of this character.

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    Maggie is (very) important to Batwoman, potentially, so probably best to leave her as NPC for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasquian Belargic View Post
    Maggie is (very) important to Batwoman.


    I will update the character list accordingly.

    Given the ties between Huntress and Franco Bertinelli, he'll presumably need to be an NPC as well?

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    I'm assuming that mom and pop Bertinelli are already dead

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    Does that mean the whole Bertinelli family / organisation is out of action, or just that something else is running it? I referred to "Bertinelli territory" in a post I think, but I can change that if needs be.

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    I'm going with the story that Mandagora, after murdering Helena's parents, is in charge of what was formerly Bertinelli territory. So the 'family' isn't disbanded or out of action per say, it's just operating under a different name / leader.

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    Is that the animated version of the character, who is based on the comic book character and Intergang member Tobias Whale, or is that the named but not important enough to have a wiki page Sicilian gangster Stephano Mandragora?

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    http://www.comicvine.com/mandragora/29-55002/

    ^ This dude? Or some incarnation of him. Not exactly the same, since you know.. we're doing a fair bit of tweaking with origins and all. I will write something up for Helena at some point that includes who he is, I guess.

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    Stefano Mandragora was originally depicted as an old white haired man who looked like Christopher Walken.
    Christopher Walken killed your parents?

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