The Topic: The War Has Started

Darth Viscera · Mar 23rd, 2003, 06:37:04 AM

SpRG=Special Republican Guard division (tasked with Baghdad city defense/internal security). These are the guys who are manning the anti-aircraft guns and anti-air missile batteries which run through Baghdad.
Four motorized infantry brigades (14 battalions), an armored brigade and an air defense brigade (Baghdad, 20,000 troops)

NRG=Northern Republican Guard (I Corps), deployed just north of Baghdad to defend the city.
40,000 troops in four divisions:
1st Adnan Mechanized Division, al Nida Armored Division, 2nd Baghdad Infantry Division, Al Abed Infantry Division.

SRG=Southern Republican Guard (II Corps), deployed just south of Baghdad to defend the city.
40,000 troops in three divisions:
Al Madina Armored Division, Nebuchadnezzer Infantry Division, Hamurabi Mechanized Division.

He's done much worse things than putting people in plastic shredders feet first. He set up a medical center dedicated solely to pioneering new, more painful methods of torture. He's concocted torture methods that are literally unimaginably brutal.

**ReaperFett** · Mar 23rd, 2003, 07:30:41 AM

They reckon someone has bailed out over Bahgdad

Beldarine · Mar 23rd, 2003, 10:51:17 AM

Mark.. I hate to say it.. but look at it this way

During the Gulf war approx 360 troops died. About 140 were from actual combat. 220 were from accidents.

That's a big difference.. and that's a lot of people dead from accidents. It's just something that happens when you are fighting with "supposedly sophisticated" weapons technology. There will be mistakes, there will be accidents.

But that bastard who threw the grenade.. If I could get my hands on him, his last few minutes would not be all that pretty.

And those idiot protestors have started burning the American Flag in effigy. I am beginning to have less and less tolerance for those (edit) morons.

Beldarine · Mar 23rd, 2003, 11:10:39 AM

Taja..

I hate to say it.. But wouldn't you say that it's even lower to sit on your couch and hear about the tens of THOUSANDS of Kurds killed in the 80's by Saddam's chemical weapons (due to "ethnic cleansing")?

Or how about listening to them talk about how Qusai, Uday and Saddam used to put people into a plastic shredder feet first?

Or maybe the tens of thousands Shiites that have died because Saddam is Sunni?

Or howabout a few weeks ago.. Where Saddam's generals cut off the tongue of a dissident (ie: had views that opposed Saddam), and brought him to a public square so the residents could watch the man bleed to death?

Or maybe.. just maybe.. all the executions that went on through the years -- people who DARED question Saddams rule?

So who is more pathetic? The one that finally gets sick of it, stands up and screams NO MORE!?

Or the one who still sits on the couch, yelling for peace?

Yelling for Saddam's peace?

Saddam.. The one who's network is supposedly showing dead bodies of some American POWs they captured (apparently a HumV got lost, and some Iraqi troops captured it).

Yeah. Sure. Peace. Pathetic.

Marcus Telcontar · Mar 23rd, 2003, 05:03:42 PM

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...354488685.html

Top part important - Chemical weapons possibility

***Sanis Prent*** · Mar 23rd, 2003, 06:18:48 PM

I can confirm that in other news reports as well. Interesting.

**Telan Desaria** · Mar 23rd, 2003, 06:25:41 PM

The Republic Guard is exactly like the Waffen SS, the Special Republican Guard like the Allgemeine SS with heavy weapons. The difference between the two is that the Republic Guard are more soldiers than political fanatics, while their philosphy does mesh with the ruling leadership. The SRG are the mesopotamian brownshirts pressed into military service. Theyr specialty lies in internal security and political law enforcement. That some of their elements are manning anti air defense batteries is neccessity. They are not trained exclusively on it.

Current Battle Report

Along the central valley, Republic Guard units have dug in to fight, have eliminated a number of armored fighting vehciles, the numbers and composition of which I am remiss to say. All Iraqi naval assets have been neutralized. Iraqi southern air force eliminated. Northern air force in tact but not a threat due to logistical problems. Several border guards fromm the Iraqi 4th Infantry Division (regular army) engaged a Turkish patrol. No casualties disclosed on either side.

Note on Iraqi air defenses: they are using, for all intents and purposes, flak. Most of their bahgdad batteries consist of heavy machine guns and fire linked dual 20mm bofors guns. Against any of our fighters they have a 2 percent chance of a hit. Low level bombers, possible ten. At the most.

Iraqi SAM capabilities unconfirmed but all considered to be mobile sites in the desert.

A personal note on the peace protesters. To them I say have some respect for the men hose bodies now lie under the Middle eastern sun, both friend and foe alike. Have some shred of decency and pay homage to the bravery of men who are placing their lives on the line so that they may sleep peacefully at night.

And I suggest that any of them who has not been here first hand to shut their mouths. There are few innocents in war. And we are no better, so do not think I am being righteous.

Last note.

I am ashamed of my German heritage. A legacy of teutonic bravery and honour tossed to the wind of the Federal republic. And the French! They didn't shirk from a fight at Dien Bien Phu, or Sedan, or the Marne.

Darth Viscera · Mar 23rd, 2003, 06:44:41 PM

Telan, just a few months ago you were saying that your relationship with the army had come to an end. Now you're at the front with net access? Are you being sincere?

**Taylor Millard** · Mar 23rd, 2003, 07:02:21 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81935,00.html

There's confirmation from FOX

Darth Viscera · Mar 23rd, 2003, 07:32:02 PM

I guess that we were right, and they were wrong. Excuse me while I parade about in a rather foppish manner.

*does so*

Now, what will Paris say? Will they concede to reality and finally stop arranging an international anti-U.S. gang on the (now false) basis of an unjustified war in Iraq? Or will they pull a France?

**Telan Desaria** · Mar 23rd, 2003, 07:35:53 PM

I am all for seeing a Sixth republic and yet another revoltuion in france. Perhaps then they will remember who their friends really are.

Marcus Telcontar · Mar 23rd, 2003, 07:38:43 PM

I wouldnt trust Fox as far as I could spit it. But... other more reputible places are reporting the find.

I suppose Chirac will argue that inspectors should of had more time, but it's now clear Iraq had no intention of complying with the UN.

I hope the rest of your political career is short and misreble Chirac. May you fade into history with all the dishonour you deserve.

**Taylor Millard** · Mar 23rd, 2003, 08:20:46 PM

Okay here's what ABC's saying.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world...ain030323.html

***Sanis Prent*** · Mar 23rd, 2003, 08:21:29 PM

I have further confirmations via cnn and wall street journal. I'd consider the report legit.

Beldarine · Mar 23rd, 2003, 08:55:58 PM

I just wanted to do a quick cut and paste for this article..
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=...1-023627-5923r

Credit to :
Lucky Break for Jordan
By Arnaud de Borchgrave
UPI Editor at Large
Copyright United Press..

Quote:
" A group of American anti-war demonstrators who came to Iraq with Japanese human shield volunteers made it across the border today with 14 hours of uncensored video, all shot without Iraqi government minders present. Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor with the Assyrian Church of the East, told UPI the trip "had shocked me back to reality." Some of the Iraqis he interviewed on camera "told me they would commit suicide if American bombing didn't start. They were willing to see their homes demolished to gain their freedom from Saddam's bloody tyranny. They convinced me that Saddam was a monster the likes of which the world had not seen since Stalin and Hitler. He and his sons are sick sadists. Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head"

Like Neal Boortz said.. At least it shows that these people have the ability to learn.

***Sanis Prent*** · Mar 23rd, 2003, 09:04:28 PM

Yeah I read that yesterday. Very profound.

They're showing the Iraqi TV clips where they interrogated the prisoners.

I hope these bastards get the book thrown at them at the Hague.

**Figrin D'an** · Mar 23rd, 2003, 09:14:25 PM

Originally posted by Sanis Prent
Yeah I read that yesterday. Very profound.

They're showing the Iraqi TV clips where they interrogated the prisoners.

I hope these bastards get the book thrown at them at the Hague.

My thoughts exactly.