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    My big concern is that we always say "lets not worry about it now", and it always seems to bite us in the ass in the long run. Since the Wheel was created we've not really had much guidance or structure, and I think we've suffered for it.

    I'm sure Dee and Andrew will back me up on how tough it can be writing a Padawan at times. There's no information out there at all on what it's like living on the Wheel, or what you could or should be doing. Yes, "you could just ask", but shouldn't we at least have some basic information? Should Kala and Akasha be doing threads where they "just finished Master Serena's levitation class"? Is Wyl skipping his Jedi Philosophy homework when he's playing Spies with Tak?

    We've not put any thought into how easy it is to travel between ships in the Wheel, either. This is something that would be especially useful to know if we plan to split ourselves up between different ships. Does the Challenger run a Space Bus service so that people can commute from the ship that they live on to the ship where Loki is teaching "Lightsaber 101"? Is there a Wheel version of "Cloud 9" - a ship with an arboretum or something, where people can go to relax and be outside? How easy is it to get there - is there a shuttle every hour, or do you have to "make a day of it"?

    Knowing what the Council is doing would help with that, too. Maybe Barton "isn't a Jedi really", but knowing that Person X is in charge of coordinating supply shipments is the kind of detail that a Rogue character could mention in a post. Knowing that Vansen will need approval from the Council for Decision Y, or that the Council will need approval from Vansen for Decision Z, would also be helpful.

    It isn't essential information, but this kind of stuff really helps set the scene.

    Our activity level doesn't always help, but we're not making it easy on ourselves either. I don't think it's surprising that we've had new members show up, post a couple of times, and then vanish completely. Even us vets have trouble working out what's going on at times.
    It's like that, and that's the way it is.

     

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    I understand what you're saying and I agree - having background information like this in place would help make the Wheel seem more like a real place and make RPing richer. I think we've tended to err on the side of "free form writing" and avoided "bean counting" so much that doing a level of world building with the Wheel has gone by the wayside. Also, it takes a consensus to create something like this, and we hate rocking boats. Or Whaladons.

    So.

    1. Travel between ships of the Wheel
    - Shuttles must be available from the Challenger, when Jedi need to go there and back again. The Whaladon, as Droo adroitly pointed out, is too small and has no hangar bay. No shuttles live on the Whaladon!

    2. Liason with the Alliance
    - Lok was doing a great deal of this, but that's not going to happen now for obvious She's A Sith reasons. Navaria was slated for this in the past, I say we just move her into that position to take over from s'Ilancy.

    3. Supplies, Et Cetera - Perhaps someone to coordinate with Alliance friendlies who know of the Wheel (the Barton and Ben ships) and who bring in supplies. Maybe Zem can take care of this busy work in between practicing singing in the shower.

    4. Coordinate training with available knights for padawans with no masters - Seems like this should be Loki's job. We don't have many NPC padawans but I know Sol was RPing bringing new blood to the Wheel, so we do have them knocking about.

    5. Ships - We have the Whaladon and some personal freighters (Serena's and Sol's) as far as Jedi ships. We need more. I know (I think I know) that Inyos and Lok were finding Jedi starfighters. If we can 'acquire' a ship to support these and become our main Jedi ship it can house shuttles as well to get from ship to ship as well as be the main 'docking hub' for our flotilla when not in motion. If we want other sorts of specialized ships I guess we could always go in for an Ithorian cityship if we want to go ginormous. (just kidding)

    Er, just a few ideas. I guess I didn't assign Serena or Daria anything but Serena is a healer and a diplomat so she could be in charge of the Jedi medcorps and er... somethingsomething...

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    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Carra..._light_cruiser possible addition to the Wheel, crewed by Jedi? It only takes two to crew it, carries 142 passengers and 5 starfighters. I don't know how many Jedi Starfighters we're getting. *shrug*

    That could be too small, but if we add a big cargo ship with lots of open space that could work.

    Or this http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Escort_carrier
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    I don't think it's necessarily the case that the Whaladon *can't* have a hangar bay: it's a big cargo ship, so there's presumably some way of offloading supplies via shuttle without it having to land on the surface. It's more an issue of having sufficient internal space to park everything we've allegedly got parked inside.

    Would there be a problem with having the Jedi Starfighters and shuttles on the Challenger, as opposed to a separate ship? The Challenger has a ridiculous amount of parking space... and any Jedi who want to be trained in piloting will likely learn it from the Rebels on the Challenger anyway.

    We could potentially use the Challenger as the "airport" for the Wheel. All incoming traffic and supplies land on the Challenger and go through security checks before heading out to the rest of the Wheel... a good security measure to avoid more Vega mishaps?

    You're correct about Lok and Inyos obtaining Jedi Starfighters. The way that Christin and I envisaged it (I think) was that the fighters are sort of like horses for the Jedi Knights - a way for them to go on missions without necessarily needing their own ship. There would presumably be an amorphous non-specific number so that we always have enough for whatever we need them for.

    What if we snagged some other ships as well? We could use Republic Gunships as our fleet of Space Buses, for example.

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    Action IV transports are pretty small, actually. Just saying.

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    Yeah, but so are some shuttles.

    Also, isn't the Whaladon an Action VI, rather than an Action IV? Not much difference in size, granted, but in the Essential Guide to Ships, the Wild Karrde (an Action VI) is shown with a docking bay underneath. It's not huge by any means, but I'm sure it'd be big enough for shuttles to actually land, rather than having to dock via airlock, or whatever.

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    In fact, the Wookieepedia page describes it as having a compliment of "Starfighter or shuttle (1) (optional, in cargo space)".
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    I have no idea to be honest

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    We're not so much looking at the Council now as the way that the whole of the Wheel operates. What level of detail do you think would be useful for us to go into? I have some ideas about a 'Newcomers Guide to the Wheel' that I'll write up when I get home from work, but having an idea about how much detail you think should go into it would be helpful.

    Topics I'm thinking of could be:

    - How to find the Wheel
    - Arrival - both as a newcomer, and as a resident
    - Size - physical size and population of the Convoy
    - Movement - how the Wheel navigates and how to move between ships within the Wheel
    - Departure - what happens when you leave the Wheel, how do you find your way back
    - Resources - how is the Wheel supplied
    - Features - what type of facilities are there aboard the various ships
    - Specialists - which Jedi or Alliance personnel to consult about a certain topic

    These are just initial ideas in my head. I'm not sure whether it's more or less detail than you're thinking of, and these certainly aren't the only topics I could think of, but I have to go to work now!

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    I love the notion of Knights being "mounted" and having their own fighters here and there.

    I will help write a few articles, sure

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    Would Zem be a good fit as a replacement for s'Il as the liaison to Vansen?

    The two seem like they would have compatable personalities; Zem certainly has the patience to work alongside Vansen. He's also got the kind of age, experience, and worldly wisdom that Vansen would respect; and that would be useful in doing the job effectively. Plus, given Zem's relationship to s'Il, he might feel a certain responsibility to replace her.

    That would leave Navaria free to represent the Jedi in a political sense (to the High Council, Alliance Intel, etc) while Zem is focusing merely on the more military / logistics side of things within the Wheel itself. It has been established that a lot of what s'Il and Vansen did related to paperwork and such: it might be unwise burdening the leader of the Jedi Council with those sorts of tasks.

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    I am down for this if others are, sure

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    Perhaps, given the security lockdown, we could have the Whaladon dock indefinitely with the Challenger.

    Presently, the Jedi are holed up in that stuffy little ship, and presumably, the idea was to allow no ships to access or leave the Whaladon directly without going through the Challenger first. So, if someone arrived at the Wheel they'd have to board the Challenger, recieve security clearance, then be shuttled over to the Jedi ship. It's a bit convoluted and by docking with the Challenger, the tedious ferrying of personnel and supplies is halved. It would also allow the Alliance to have a closer eye on the Jedi, which is in their best interests right now, and it means Vansen and the council have access to each other more readily. Also, the Jedi would have access to facilities and equipment they never had stranded on the Whaladon, which would also facilitate the pilot training, and any other potential non-Jedi training ventures. And it goes without saying, given the fact that it has none of its own defenses whatsoever, the Whaladon would be less vulnerable in this position.

    Those are the in-character benefits. But OOC it would help us deal with the issue of having a bunch of characters effectively locked up aboard a tiny ship, running out of things to do. If we're going to have our characters sealed away like that, I'd rather it were in a bigger and more diverse environment. Sharing the Challenger would help with that. We'd be able to interact with other types of characters more freely, such as pilots and other military personnel, and we'd be in a better position to plan and execute missions together.

    Dee had an interesting way of putting it: the Whaladon aboard the Challenger would be like the Jedi Temple at the heart of Coruscant. Mainly, this suggestion is just about freeing up our options a bit, and there's only so much I personally feel I can do with Loki on that little ship before it starts to feel stale.

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    Why not just make it to where you can hop a shuttle and go anywhere in the wheel but have to give your flight plan? Seems we're making this too hard. The wheel should be a city. Theoretical access to all points, you just need permission, which can easily be RPed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zem Vymes View Post
    Why not just make it to where you can hop a shuttle and go anywhere in the wheel but have to give your flight plan? Seems we're making this too hard. The wheel should be a city. Theoretical access to all points, you just need permission, which can easily be RPed
    This works for me.

    Zem being the new liaison to the Alliance is cool too.

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    Something to bear in mind is that the Venator has a large ventral bay: if you've watched The Clone Wars, you'll have seen one of these docked in side that. The Whaledon is only ten meters different in length from one of those ships, so would concievably fit as well. That makes it super-duper convenient, both in terms of logistics, and in terms of defense: what better to protect the Wheel than being right smack bang inside the Challenger's shields?

    Theoretical access to all points via shuttle is fine in concept. But do we actually have that many points? People only really seem to need to be on the Whaladon (where the Jedi are) or on the Challenger (where the ships are). If one is docked to the other, then there are no shuttles necessary: even easier.

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    If we start adding more ships, I think we need to make sure that when we add ships, we do so because it's going to be beneficial. Spreading ourselves out across multiple residential ships (making casual encounters harder / more convoluted) might not be beneficial. However, an Ithorian ship with an arboretum / garden / hydroponics bay for growing fresh vegetables might be a useful thing to have.

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    However, an Ithorian ship with an arboretum / garden / hydroponics bay for growing fresh vegetables might be a useful thing to have.
    That could be something cool for people to RP out actually acquiring.

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    Whaladon being in the Ventral bay, eh? I'm not against that. Could be like the enterprise D and the detachable saucer. We punt whaladon and let her scoot away if it's a fight, etc

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    Yeah, Zem being the liaison makes sense to me through the perspective that he has history with the Rebels.

    I think Jenny's list is perfect, and if there's any way that I can contribute to whichever topic needs writing, I'm down for helping. Once we get a list of the ships in the convoy, I am for sure going to be snagging pictures of said ships and putting them together in one convoy-looking image to make a new banner for the Enclave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zem Vymes View Post
    Why not just make it to where you can hop a shuttle and go anywhere in the wheel but have to give your flight plan? Seems we're making this too hard. The wheel should be a city. Theoretical access to all points, you just need permission, which can easily be RPed
    To be honest, I think the idea of people hopping shuttles everytime they fancy stretching their legs beyond the Whaladon sounds more convoluted than having it just docked inside the Challenger. Given his relationship with the Council, Loki is in some position to request shuttles, but where does that leave padawans? There has been expressed to me recently some discontent amongst people with padawan characters, they feel trapped on the Whaladon and at a loose end, and presumably this security lockdown will exacerbate the issue. I thought we could alleviate these concerns, at least for the time being, by effectively giving people a bigger sandbox.

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    Alright, if it's causing problems for Padawans, let's make an executive decision... the Whaladon is docked with the Challenger. Done.

    What's the next problem to solve?

    RE: the Newcomers Guide. Thanks for the offer of help guys, it's much appreciated. I'm going to grab dinner and then hop on AIM so if anyone is around and wants to share ideas, we could have a chat.

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